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>> association is. >> about to host its annual dinner, a celebration of the first amendment. the war on the first amendment in this country. wages on. one of the recent battles in this war. >> was the arrest. >> of mahmoud khalil. khalil, of course, is the columbia university student and. protest leader. a legal resident and green card holder of palestinian descent who was essentially kidnaped on march 8th by government agents right in front of his eight month pregnant wife. now, this week, new court documents revealed that khalil was detained without an arrest warrant. khalil now sits in a prison in louisiana while his american born wife gave birth to their first child on monday. in court documents, dhs lawyers claimed that they had exigent circumstances to conduct the warrantless arrest and that khalil said he would not cooperate and intended to leave the scene. of course, we've all seen the footage that was shot by his wife showing that he was in fact cooperating and told officers, yes, i am coming with you. a group of congressional

democrats traveled to louisiana. >> this week to. >> meet with khalil, as well as with rumaisa öztürk, the tufts university. phd student who was also abducted in massachusetts and without explanation and without criminal charges, simply for an op ed that she wrote about israel. here's what they had to say outside the ice. detention facility. >> both of these individuals are political prisoners. they don't belong here. this is not about enforcing the law. this is a this is this is moving us toward an authoritarian state. >> mahmoud khalil has lived in syria under assad. he knows what an authoritarian regime looks like. and he says this is it. this is it. >> another detained. >> student who got a visit. >> from a member of congress this week is mohsen mahdawi.

like khalil, mahdawi is a columbia student of palestinian descent and a peace activist known for building bridges with jewish students and students of all backgrounds. on april 14th, at his naturalization hearing to become a u.s. citizen, he was abducted by government agents without any charges. vermont senator peter welch visited him at an ice prison in vermont and asked him to respond to secretary of state marco rubio's charge that he is somehow a threat to national security, and that his activism is anti-semitic. here's what he said. >> basically. >> he. >> is describing being anti-war. >> as anti-semitic. >> how could. >> that be. >> possible when. my partners. most of my partners at columbia's campus and beyond, are jews and israelis? my work has been centered on peacemaking and all what i'm doing. i am being a human. my empathy, as i mentioned before, extends beyond the palestinian people, and my empathy extends to the jews and

to the israelis. >> the abduction of the students. >> and the attempt to deport. >> them is. >> a threat. >> to freedom of speech and an attack on all americans right to dissent. and it is being done on the false premise that their speech is both a threat to american foreign policy, which we have said many times on this show is a laughable claim, and that their protests are anti-semitic and a threat to the safety of jewish students. but that's a dangerous and quite honestly, a dishonest smear. we have heard the words of mahdawi and their allies and partners in their protest movements are, in fact, jewish students, many of them advocating for peace. but imagine, just imagine for a moment if one of these students had said, i have killed a lot of israelis in my life, and there's no problem with that. i mean, that would certainly sound threatening and be a reason for alarm, right? well guess what? former israeli prime minister naftali bennett once said, i have killed lots of arabs in my life, and there is no problem with that. well, this year,

bennett has already been welcomed to columbia university, harvard university and princeton university. and at harvard, he even went further. he even joked about giving protesters a pager, a violent reference to israel's deadly pager attack in lebanon last year. imagine for a moment that any of these students, these student protesters, had openly advocated for bombing israeli food supplies in an attempt to collectively punish and starve the israeli people. that would be problematic, wouldn't it? well, guess what, itamar ben-gvir, israel's racist national security minister, proudly posted on x this week that food and aid depots in gaza should be bombed. again, this man has been convicted in israel of inciting racism and supporting terrorism in the u.s. he is welcomed with open arms. this week, not only did he meet with republican leaders at mar a lago, but he also spoke at yale university before coming here to new york city. what happened to

all the advocates for campus safety? where are the congressional hearings? where are the demands for university presidents to step down for creating a dangerous environment for students? none of that is happening because the truth is, this was never about safety on campus for any students. this is a campaign that is all about stifling and now criminalizing criticism of israel or support for palestinian rights. and that campaign has become one of the gravest threats to american free speech in our lifetime. starting us off this saturday evening is california congresswoman laura friedman. congresswoman, thank you so much for making time for us. let me start with the plight of these students. some of the colleagues, some of your colleagues in congress are now meeting with these students at ice detention centers. when the video emerged, you posted this scene. and stories like it are deeply disturbing, especially as a jewish woman. can you talk about that moment that we're in where donald trump is claiming to be fighting anti-semitism

under the guise of protecting jews, but using that as his cover to advance his authoritarian agenda? >> yeah, i consider what trump is doing to be weaponizing anti-semitism, not fighting it. certainly we have seen problems with anti-semitism on college campuses, and we've seen problems with islamophobia on college campuses. i've worked extensively when i was in the california legislature with our university system and through legislation to find ways for universities to deal with hatred on their campuses, including anti-semitism. and they were. >> very. >> receptive to that. but what's happening now is not helpful. i don't think it's making jewish students safer. i think it has a real chilling effect on our students. these students seem to be targeted in a really willy nilly fashion. this is a chaotic response, and it's one that is frightening because, as you pointed out, it tramples our civil rights in this country. and it chills speech that

shouldn't be. you know, that might be difficult for people to hear or offensive, but somebody writing an op ed in a newspaper that's not calling for violence, that's simply stating an opinion, should not be grounds to be picked up on the street and deported without due process. and let's be really clear that everyone deserves due process. and what we're seeing is that some of the accusations that have been made against these students are just flat out false. and so we need to know if they really are a danger to california, if they're a danger to the united states. let's see the evidence through a trial. but that's not what this administration is offering. and they've even it's even turned out that they've deported, in some cases, the wrong people with some deportations they've done of immigrants. and in this case, they thought they were picking someone up who they thought only had a student visa, who turned out to be a legal permanent resident of the united states. they are chaotic. they are bumbling, and they are trampling on our civil rights.

>> let me, if i can pick up on the point that you talked about the weaponization of antisemitism and ask you about, does this, does this not make jews actually in danger in this country? does it not, threatening the way that trump, you know, the administration right now is doing all of this, actually cause a backlash against jews by using jews, if you will, as his pretext for this crackdown on freedom of speech. isn't he opening the door for people to say, blame the jews if they don't like these arrests and these deportations? the very same way that he, during the campaign would say, if i lose, basically blame the jews, or if jews don't vote for him, they they hate israel. >> that is absolutely a concern of mine. and from this white house, you've seen them bring people who are white nationalists, who are from the far right, who are certainly no friends of the jewish people into the white house. we've seen them defend the same kinds of people. i worry about the

deportations, certainly, and the backlash, as you said. and i certainly don't want universities defunded, universities having less money for research, less money for scholarships, less money to spend on things like anti-semitism, efforts in the name of the jewish people. that's not our values. and this administration does not reflect my value as a jewish woman. >> do you think i mean, obviously, these arrests are happening right now. there's no doubt about it. this escalation, this sharp escalation has happened under the trump administration with these authoritarian actions. but do you when you look back at what happened during the protests last year and they haven't happened in they often happened in democratic run states or democratic run cities. do you think it was a mistake for democrats, including the biden administration, to not address these in a different way, to instead fan the flames of the attacks on college students and make these wild accusations against them that trump is now using to justify his actions.

>> i think that the campuses were unprepared for some of these protests. i think that there were people who came in, quite honestly, who were chaos agents who not weren't even students. there weren't even students. and there were strong feelings on a lot of sides, which is understandable given what we've seen in the middle east. but i think the college campuses have learned from this experience. i've worked with them on making sure that students know what's expected of them, of having, for instance, a code of conduct when students enter universities so that they know what's permissible protest and what's crossing a line. and then they're free to cross that line if they want, but at least they would know what the repercussions might be. prior to the last few years, universities didn't generally have those kinds of understandings with their students. and certainly i'm i feel that a lot of universities, even ones that had d-i departments, didn't necessarily teach anti-semitism and didn't have places where students who were experiencing anti-semitism to go to. so there

there were issues that we saw on the campus that were real issues. but deporting students is not the answer. the answer is working with college communities to make sure that people understand what anti-semitism is and what it's not, and what behavior we expect from students when they protest on any issue. >> let me, if i can widen out a little bit, congresswoman, you just returned to the u.s. from a congressional delegation trip to the uk, israel, jordan, greenland, focusing on a lot of the very pressing foreign affairs issues facing this country today. of course, at the vatican, president trump met with ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky, and afterward trump, you know, questioned vladimir putin's commitment to ending this war. it obviously comes in the same week that he sent out a bizarre tweet on truth social, saying, vladimir, stop seemingly begging the russian leader to end this war. what do you make of these latest developments on that front, and whether or not we are any closer to ending this war

with the trump peace plan? >> we met with officials. this is a congressional delegation organized by leader jeffries, and we met with officials in london and in denmark. and i can't tell you how alarmed these leaders in europe are over the u.s. seeming to give a pass to russian aggression to try to change the facts that russia invaded a sovereign nation and is trying to take over part of another country, and is doing so in an incredibly violent manner, that they don't seem to show any sign of slowing down on. the europeans believe that if ukraine falls, if russia can declare victory in the ukraine, they might continue their expansionist tendencies to other parts of eastern europe, to the balkans, to latvia, and maybe to go further into europe. and this is terrifying to some of these european nations. it's very concerning. and what's terrifying to them is the feeling that the trump administration has abandoned its allies and is giving a pass to

putin and to russian aggression that is destabilizing. and i want your viewers to know that i believe that we have a much less safe world right now because of trump's chaotic actions than we had before this administration came into power. this is destabilizing. it's emboldening vladimir putin, who is a dictator and a war monger. and i don't i don't think anybody in europe thinks that putin is looking for peace at this point. they think he's looking to declare victory and take over part of ukraine. and to me, that's unacceptable. >> let us of. >> course not forget that this is the president who promised to end this war on day one. and here we are approaching day 100, yet with no end to this war. congresswoman laura friedman, greatly appreciate you starting us off tonight. thank you for your time. coming up, pete hegseth signal scandal that comes with a fantasy football comes with a fantasy football twist. oh don't forget dinner with my boss. ah great. our new ultimate adhesive will save the day. new poligrip ultimate all in 1.

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>> what's up? >> facebook and a fantasy sports website. that is where anyone could find the personal phone numbers of america's defense secretary. it is the same number that pete hegseth used in those now infamous signal chats, which national security experts say put our nation's secrets at risk, as well as the lives of american service members. since that debacle was first reported, we have since learned that hesketh had an insecure internet line set up in his office at the pentagon, just so that he could have the signal messaging app installed on his desktop. of course, it goes without saying that any communications device used by the defense secretary, i don't know, should be highly protected. it should be a priority. it should be impenetrable, right? well, based on our reporting, even trump gets it. he told hesketh during a recent phone call that he did not approve of him texting information about airstrikes in yemen to his wife and brother. one u.s. official and another person familiar with the conversation says trump

described hackett's actions as childish. yet trump ended the call, telling his defense secretary. keep fighting. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst jill wine-banks. she was an assistant watergate special prosecutor and served as the general counsel of the army during the carter administration. jill, great to have you back on the show. so according to the new york times, a german news publication was able to actually track down hexum's phone number on the internet after reports came out about the first signal chat. and it begs the question, how vulnerable is our national security at this point? if anyone with a wi-fi connection can get the defense secretary's phone number? >> it is appalling. >> it's not childish. >> it's reckless. >> it's dangerous. it's traitorous. >> he put at. >> risk lives that didn't need to be. >> put at risk. >> he shared information that no one on those chats had a right to know or a need to know. the

more people who know something like that, the more danger you put people in. i you know, you remember. >> texera. >> who was a kid who was sort of bragging to his friends by releasing confidential. that's what this is like. >> but we knew. >> this before he was confirmed, and the. republicans confirmed him anyway. >> we knew. >> he was incapable of managing any operation as big as the pentagon. from my experience there, the secretary is not a showpiece, which is apparently what donald trump had in. >> mind was. >> he'll be the front man and someone else will really. do the work. that's not how it goes. the secretary of defense needs to. >> be in charge. >> and needs to have a brain. >> and i'm. >> not seeing that here. it's really scary to me. >> jill. government officials, you know, it's not as you said, it's not rocket science. they're not supposed to be using their personal cell phones for official business. here we have just making up his own rules as he goes along. there's a reason why the pentagon, for people who

have been there and have seen it and know it's hard to have a cell phone reception anywhere in that building. who inside the pentagon can actually put a stop to this? is there is there anyone who can come to him and say, look, these are violation of the rules and not only the rules, but you are, as you mentioned, endangering the lives of service members. if you continue with this behavior. >> apparently, from reporting, he was told a few days before the second chat, don't do this. this is dangerous. and he did it. and remember who was on that second chat. his wife, his lawyer, his friends. i mean, this was not anybody who worked in the pentagon who needed to know. and the only person who can tell the secretary of defense to stop it is the president of the united states, who, as you just said, said, oh, keep on fighting. i don't approve, but i'm not stopping you. that is a danger. i have a bet with someone. about how long

hesketh will last. i was in the 30 days and he'll be gone. i bet with someone from william morris who said 60. so we'll see. i just don't see how america will tolerate the risk. how soldiers and sailors and airmen will tolerate the risk that he's putting them in. >> all right. well, let. >> me play for you, because in recent days, we've seen reports about the disarray among defense officials. i want you to take a listen to what he said about his former chief of staff, joe caspar, just a couple of days ago. >> joe's a great guy. he's a. >> great american. >> he has. >> done a. >> fantastic job for us at the. defense department. he's staying with us, going to be in a slightly. >> different role, but he's not going anywhere. >> so that interview was on tuesday. two days later, caspar voluntarily left his role to work in government relations and consulting. originally, he was expected to transition to another role within the defense department. but just the fact that he had come out and

basically said he was going to stay on, and then ultimately he did not. what do you make of the fact that he apparently didn't see this coming? >> i it's not, i guess, a surprise because he has no experience and leading people on being in. charge of we're not talking about 50 or 100 people in a squad. we're talking about millions of soldiers and airmen, sailors, etc, and contractors. billions of dollars in procurement. this is not something he is trained for. he's a television host. he was ran two not for profits that were pretty small, and he ran them into the ground. why would anyone trust him with our defense? >> yeah, it's a valid question. jill wine-banks, thank you so much. please stick around. we've got a lot more to discuss with you. up next, there's another disturbing example of trump's cruel deportation process that cruel deportation process that now involves a two year consumer. ♪♪ grandma! ♪♪

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>> in the latest escalation of trump's immigration crackdown, his administration has deported an american toddler. last night, a federal judge in louisiana said that a us born two year old was deported to honduras with her mother without any meaningful due process. in recent days, the administration deported at least three us born children with their mothers. that includes the two year old, a four year old and a seven year old. they've also deported a cuban born mother of a one year old, separating them indefinitely. we know that cruelty is the point with this administration. they view it as deterrence. in fact, listen to what trump's border czar, tom homan, told 60 minutes about family separations back in october. >> is there a way. >> to carry out. >> mass deportation. >> without. >> separating families? >> horses? >> families can be deported together. >> all right. jill is back with us. and joining the conversation, democratic strategist alicia cross, who served as a campaign adviser to

former president obama. jill, in the case of the two year old, the louisiana court had called a government lawyer to speak with the child's mother. but by the time they got a call back, they were already in honduras. and this sounds eerily similar to what has happened with some of these flights to el salvador. if the trump administration has nothing to hide, why are they rushing through these deportations without any meaningful due process, as the court said? >> i think you said it in the beginning. cruelty is their purpose and they don't care about the rule of law. obviously, doing this behind in secret without any process at all. and remember, everyone, if it can happen to someone else, it can happen to you. and i don't know when we will be the next to be treated without any process whatsoever. and it's not just the american child who deserves process. anyone being deported. any person in this country is entitled to due

process of law, and that is not happening. and that is the end of democracy. if we don't have due process. >> michelle, one of the american children that the trump administration deported in recent days, this four year old is suffering from a rare cancer and they were deported without medication or consultation with their physicians. this is now at least the second time the government has deported a young child with cancer. does it matter? and maybe, jill, you could also weigh on this, legally speaking, but just from a kind of humanitarian perspective, does it matter at all that these children are being deported with their mothers? i mean, obviously they're too young to make their own decisions and they're being deported with their mothers, but their own rights as americans that should be upheld and enshrined by the constitution are effectively being ignored. >> absolutely. >> and children do have rights. >> if the. right wing can tell us that babies in utero have rights who are not yet born and don't. >> even have. >> social security numbers, how

do they ignore a child, a young child. >> who has. >> those. >> who has. >> those very. >> same rights. who has been deported? >> i think. >> that what we're seeing. >> from this. administration is an administration that is not only willing to thwart the law, but is willing to put its own, its own legal precedent around birthright citizenship. they know that they have a very steep hill to climb in the supreme court. but what we're seeing this administration do under trump's regime is to ensure that young people who are born in america from undocumented parents are also sent away. and i think that particularly for those young people who have cancer, who are going through treatments, who could literally die without the medications that they have in this country, this is extreme. it is also, again, cruelty is the point. he is trying to serve this up as a deterrent to tell mothers. essentially, your children will also get sent back. it does not matter whether they were born in this country or not. that is his way of putting his own rubber stamp on birthright citizenship, saying it's over regardless of what the supreme court decides. >> to misha's point. jill, from a legal perspective, what

supersedes the other? the mother wanting the child to go with her? or the fact that this american born child, an american citizen, has rights and somebody has to be able to make the case for the rights of that child in a court of law, which did not happen, as we heard from the court. >> in cases like this. eamon. and it's really a touching, tragic situation. and there's at least one child whose father is still here and who asked for custody of the child to keep the child here. but a court appointed representative would be what is legally mandated to represent the interests of the child. because even if the mother says, i want the child to go with me, it may not be in the child's best interest. and that's why you have a guardian ad litem appointed to represent the child. >> that's what. >> due process is. that's what we don't have in america right now. so, and i would say the humanitarian interests here

really are as important as the legal issues. >> jill, let me turn now to the crackdown on judges. i mean, yesterday we saw the fbi arrest the milwaukee county circuit court judge, hannah dugan, alleging that she obstructed isis attempt to detain an undocumented immigrant. they arrested her in broad daylight at her courthouse parking lot. again, what kind of chilling effect will this have on the judiciary with the details of this case emerging? >> this is just one more time that judges are being threatened. all judges, all members of congress, are afraid of what's going to happen. all american citizens are and should be afraid in this case. we need to really clarify the facts. and i've heard conflicting facts. some of which are very favorable to judge dugan, was that she did not spirit him away or hide him. he came out of the back of her courtroom into a public hallway and wrote in an elevator.

according to this one set of facts, he was in the elevator with the agents who did not arrest him. they waited until he left the courthouse because it's not considered seemly to arrest someone in a courthouse. it interferes with, again, the rule of law in america so that people can come in to be witnesses. >> to be. >> defendants, to be plaintiffs. and so if that's the case, it really is unconscionable to go after her. but even if you had a problem, if she did do something that was not helping them, that's she doesn't have to help them, but she cannot obstruct them. i'm big on not obstructing justice, but you don't have to arrest a judge. you. that's just unconscionable. they put her in handcuffs and they did it to threaten all of the judges in that courthouse and all judges around the country. so i think you've got it right. this is part of the ploy of cruelty and

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efficiency will still be operating. the cuts they're making are ones that republicans have been dreaming of for decades, and they are not going to stop. but another thing to be mindful of is this oligarchs are still going to oligarch. musk will still be the richest man in the world, running some of the most important companies in the world, and charge one of the most critical social media platforms in the world. he will remain of a lot of power over this white house and a gop congress. elon musk still has a lot of power. look, oligarchs don't need to sit inside the oval office to wield power. in fact, just the opposite. sometimes it's better to operate quietly without the scrutiny of the white house press corps hounding your every move. there are other rich guys who have donald trump's ear, who get much less heat than elon musk. and perhaps now elon musk may want to join them and just operate in the shadows. jill and amisha are both back with me. amisha, wasn't it always a little

puzzling that for musk to put himself front and center of this administration? you know, most of his wealth is in his tesla stocks that are taking a huge hit. and you got to wonder why he did this. why bring all of this scrutiny onto him when he could have just been operating quietly, as most of the ceos have been doing that are part of this oligarchy? i mean, you see a lot of people in the trump orbit. we've already seen billionaires going in and out of the white house. i'm sure they have access to the president whenever they want. i think elon musk is probably learning from them and saying, hey, i don't need this headache. >> i agree with you. elon musk and donald trump have a couple things in common. first and foremost, big egos. and elon musk, he has all the money in the world. he's the richest man in the world. but he wanted to showcase to the world that he could also be extremely powerful and at that right hand of power and in many ways perceived as president himself. so he rode that wave until basically he couldn't anymore. he saw that tesla's stock went down. he saw, you know, the rallies in the streets. but more importantly,

he was always a term special employee. so he's not just leaving because there was, you know, something afoot in tesla. he's leaving because his time was up. with that being said, he will go, by the way, by the way of every other super wealthy individual who has had influence on this administration. he will, in the darkness, do what he's been doing in the light. he will make sure that, you know, the bidding of donald trump is done. he will also ensure that he still has a certain level of influence. be mindful he's still rough riding through the midterms. he has put a target on certain republicans backs who have stood in town halls and somewhat tried to question the trump administration, specifically around the reconciliation budget, specifically around some of the changes this administration has said that they want, based on project 2025, that aren't popular in these streets. and elon musk is going to use his money to scare the hell out of those people and make them stand down. so let's not fool ourselves into believing that his influence is going to be gone the minute he walks out of dodge, because i think that would be a grave mistake.

>> it's not just trump and musk who have seen huge drops in their popularity. congressional republicans are having to deal with the backlash that doge and the cuts to government services that are happening. just take a look. look at what happened to florida congressman and huge maga supporter byron donalds at a town hall this week. watch this. >> what doge. >> is doing. >> right now. >> is they're. going through. >> every. >> agency and they're examining any contracts or any lack of efficiencies and. >> spending federal dollars. >> this is something that. i'm saying to you. and. >> i'm going to answer. >> you. >> but if. >> you want to know, it's okay. >> but i'm going to answer you. are you going to allow me to answer the question? >> i mean, the bottom line is the people are just not buying this spin on doge, are they? >> no. people are smarter than the members of congress, and people are going to start seeing how all of these cuts affect them. people won't be getting answers from social security or the irs. people won't be getting

their social security checks. people won't be getting the benefits of some of the programs that have been cut. they're seeing the cruelty to all the students whose visas were revoked and then said, oh, no, we really didn't mean it. well, what foreign student is going to come to america on the risk that they will be kidnaped? and you did use the word kidnap. and i agree with that word because that's what's happening. arrest warrants aren't there. due process isn't there. they're being pulled off the street by men wearing masks and hoods. it looks like it is kidnaping. so i just i think that people will catch on and they're not saving any money. the cost of recruiting and training people is astronomical. and whatever he says he's saving by these cuts are offset by the costs of retraining people and also the risk where he goes, whoops, well, i guess we shouldn't have fired all the people who do bird flu in the middle of a bird flu

epidemic. whoops. all those plane crashes. we shouldn't have fired everybody at the faa. we're going to have to bring them back. but too bad we forgot to keep them on our email list. we don't know how to reach them. i think there's so much going wrong that it's almost laughable. and it's not a surprise that tesla stock is down 70%. he's running the same company at the meantime. he has gotten so many government contracts and will continue to take advantage of that. so we, the american taxpayer, are paying for his stupidity. both donald trump's and his. >> amnesia, as i said in the opening, efficiency is just a cover story for gutting services and agencies that they have always wanted to get rid of. and what they're doing is not even efficient. the new york times reported this week that the cost of musk's cuts will cost taxpayers $135 billion this fiscal year, and this figure comes from the cost of hiring, then rehiring people, just as jill was saying, the lost productivity and all the lawsuits that this has

generated. efficiency has nothing to do with this. >> absolutely not. and i don't think that efficiency was ever the name of the game. they used that as a target phrase because republicans, for the longest decades have always argued that there's government bloat, that government should be smaller, that, you know, they should get rid of certain agencies. and this administration has gone out of its way with the and through dodge to ensure that they are basically radically changing the face of government. with that being said, they do not have a plan to replace, just like they said over and over again with obamacare repeal and replace, they don't have a plan to replace these workers. they don't have a plan to replace the services that are going to go under with those workers not being there. moreover, they also don't have a strategy in place that will help to filter some of the issues related to deconstructing the government. when we're talking about health care access, we're talking about the basics of research at hhs. we're talking about the department of education. the more and more they move to gut, the more forceful the american

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